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Gaussian copula and credit derivatives
Gaussian copula and credit derivatives
This WSJ article describes a mathematical innovation that helped create the now huge market for credit derivatives. Credit derivatives let banks, hedge funds and other investors trade the risk associated with credit defaults (i.e. bankruptcy of bond issuers). Just as in previous derivatives markets, things didn't take off until a simple model for pricing became widely accepted. The model itself is almost certainly too simple, but is (hopefully) improved in proprietary ways by sophisticated traders and researchers. On the plus side, credit derivatives make bond markets more liquid and efficient, allowing risk to be transferred to those most willing to bear it. On the downside, we have yet another ill-understood casino running, with trillions of dollars in play. A few years ago I looked at the Vasicek model for default probabilities (which forms the basis of the KMV methodology), and boy did it look rough. This all looks a lot like the CMO market, where traders blow up with regularity.
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Good stuff,
I attach Mr Li's famous article which changed the world. I wrote my master thesis on copulas and when I was searching for a job Mr Li invited me for an interview at Barclays. Of coarse I failed the the interview (It went really bad). That was before I started Baruch MFE program. |
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Nice article. It explains very well the popularity of the CDS indexes such as CDX and iTraxx. The market for CDX is massively liquid, specially for those 5yr, 7yr and 10 yr. The 3yr tenor is less popular and hence very illiquid.
Compared to the time of Mr. Li, the tools today are available off the shelf. Trading desks use tools like Quantifi which comes with tons of Excel add-in that can do ton of amazing stuff. With the introduction of CDX Series 9 tomorrow, we will see lot of interesting things.
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It is interesting to note that not everybody likes copulas
If I'm not mistaken it was Schonbucher who avoided them in his book. That was pointed out by a professor at CMU who I took credit derivatives with.
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Here is some interesting development in the correlation model world
A new kind of correlation model that is causing excitement among some large banks will be added to a commercial software product for the first time. Rohan Douglas, chief executive of Quantifi, says his company has the first implementation of what has been described as a Gaussian copula model with correlated stochastic recovery. Quantifi’s version, dubbed the correlated recovery model, is included in an upgrade unveiled this month for the structured credit analytics provider’s software. Douglas says that at least three large banks are looking at using this kind of approach to deal with a problem that has hit the structured credit derivatives market for most of the past year. This is the fact that the standard one-factor Gaussian copula models cannot make sense of the wide spreads on super senior tranches relative to other prices. As a result, standard models can sometimes calculate deltas as being negative and correlation as greater than 100%. Credit quants have tried to grapple with this problem in several ways. Some have come up with completely new models, such as those that take a top-down approach. However, banks have found it hard to get these models to make sense of real market prices. Another approach has been to make ad hoc adjustments to the standard model, such as reducing single name recovery assumptions across the portfolio. However, these approaches have the disadvantage of inconsistency between tranches. The model in Quantifi’s new release approaches the problem in a different way. It uses standard base correlation and makes the usual assumptions about the average recovery rate of names in the portfolio, but it allows individual recoveries to be correlated with the default risk on that name. In other words, it increases the dispersion of expected losses in the portfolio. “If you think of a tranche in option terms, then implied correlation is a dial that increases the loss volatility of the portfolio,” says Douglas. “What we are doing is adding another dial that introduces an extra degree of volatility and allows you to push value up to the top tranches.” Douglas says this makes the model backwards-compatible with existing one-factor Gaussian models. It also produces implied correlations that make better sense of current distressed prices and more sensible deltas. |
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In fact, Quantifi develop new methods because with the classic gaussian copula, the base correlation of the tranche 15-30 for example can not be calibrated with constant recovery of 0.4. Moreover, we see a price in the market for the Tranche 60-100% which must be 0. bp with a constant recovery of 0.4
Andersen and Sidenius were the first to introduce random recovery in their famous article about random factor loading You can find the 3 main articles about stochastic recovery on my website : http://www.quant-press.com/Credit_Gaussian_Copula.php CDS and CDO Pricing with Stochastic Recovery , Charaf Ech-Chatbi (2008) Pricing distressed CDOs with Base Correlation and Stochastic Recovery , M.Krekel (2008) Optimal Stochastic Recovery for Base Correlation, S.Amraoui, S.Hitier (2008) I think quantifi implements one of the three model but those models are main drawbacks For example, in Krekel's article what kind of input for the function of recovery you put in our model In The last article, random recovery depends of the correlation of the tranche...So, it's weird to not have a distribution of recovery which depends of the tranche
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Hey everyone, while I read lots of articles about this topic I have never found anything that really shows the mathematics, when calculating default correlation using the copula. Li's paper shows how he got his formula yet I really need to know how to use it with actual numbers, does that make sense? I hope you can help me, its pretty urgent. Any help is appreciated
---------- Post added at 12:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:17 PM ---------- Hi, do you think you could help me calculate default correlation (by hand) using Li's copula |
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hi copulamix, shoot me a pm
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From Wall Street executive who likes to remain anonymous:
Read the Creditmetrics technical paper at RiskMetrics.com. That tells exactly how to build a copula-based portfolio tool. They are the basis for credit derivatives. Note that it is an early approach that describes a means to do portfolio analytics using pairwise correlations. They propose using equity index correlations as proxies, which is no longer considered workable. It provides a glass box, however, into the workings of the model. Be prepared. While it's not that complicated mathematically, there are a lot of moving parts. |
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What are we still discussing here? It has been made clear that the Gaussian copula, with or without stochastic recovery, does not work for credit risk since credit events are generally correlated. The main RiskMetrics approach, which is based on the same type of copula, does not work for this reason. It failed in 2008. That should have been the end of this discussion. Some have even rejected the copula approach altogether because of what happened, but that was a mistake too. It's important to know what copula to use since the results are extremely sensitive to this choice. Btw, Dr. Li has left Wall Street and is back in China.
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