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Review of University of Chicago’s Financial Mathematics program

By Andy Nguyen - Updated 1 year ago

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Harper Library. University of Chicago


This review was submitted on 2/10/2010 at 8:35:22 by a student who studied full-time in the program from 9/2007-6/2008*

Can you tell us a bit about your background?
B.S. Engineering Physics (High Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
B.S. Computer Science (Highest Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
Five years of IT and software development

Did you get admitted to other programs?
Yes; NYC Courant’s Mathematics in Finance and Carnegie Mellon’s MS Computational Finance

Why did you choose this program (over others, if applicable)?
Short duration, lower cost of program and of living, reputed heavy mathematical focus.

Tell us about the application process at this program
Online application. Had to submit GRE General test scores. Went smoothly.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the accessibility of the faculty and staff?
6

Programs like Baruch MFE, UCB MFE have refresher courses for incoming students. Does this program offer such courses? How useful was it?
There were free courses offered to incoming students which were nominally “refresher” courses. In practice, these courses were survey courses in material that students were unlikely to have been exposed to. Several of them were very useful; the measure theory course conducted by Robert Fefferman was outstanding, and the finance introduction by Tim Weithers was well-done.

On a scale of 0-10, how would you grade the usefulness of these refresher courses?
8

Tell us about the courses selection in this program. Any special courses you like?
Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing – excellent
Numerical Methods – excellent
Statistical Risk Management
Stochastic Calculus
Data Analysis And Statistics – disastrously bad
Topics in Economics – well-taught, but questionably relevant
Portfolio Theory and Risk Management – good
Foreign Exchange
Fixed Income Derivatives – wildly mixed quality depending on presenter
Advanced Option Pricing
C# Programming (optional)

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the flexibility of the curriculum?
3

Tell us about the quality of teaching
Teaching quality ranged from very competent to insultingly poor.

On the “competent” end, Roger Lee deserves particular commendation for his course preparation and delivery in Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing and Numerical Methods. The design and delivery of both courses was absolutely meticulous and well thought-out. Other instructors who deserve positive mention include: Paul Staneski and John Zerolis (Portfolio Theory), Lida Doloc (Fixed Income Derivatives), and Jostein Paulsen (Stochastic Calculus, Statistical Risk Management).

Sadly, there were also several instructors who did not appear to feel it necessary to assemble a coherent syllabus or present their material in an understandable fashion to the students in their classes. Chief among these was Per Mykland, who “taught” the Data Analysis and Statistics course (and I believe in most years teaches stochastic calculus as well). His lectures were very rough surveys of material which was inaccessible and unknown to most of the students in the course. Generally, no supplementary reference texts were mentioned to provide comprehensible explanations of the topics covered, and his lecture notes were filled with errors that had clearly gone uncorrected for years. Much of the final section of his notes consisted of text copied directly (save an occasional misspelling) from N.H. Chan’s _Time Series_. The material covered by the homeworks was often not addressed by the lectures; in fact, the head teaching assistant informed us in no uncertain terms that he expected most of the class to fail the second homework. The teaching assistants were often unable to help with the homeworks, leading me to believe that they frequently did not understand the material any better than we. Students did so poorly in the class that he announced his intention in the final lecture to simply give all students ‘A’s in lieu of a final exam (though he was later overruled).

Professor Mykland’s disregard for his teaching obligations is legendary; there are discussions on Wilmott Forums of his lack of concern for his audience’s comprehension all the way back in 2005 and it seems that little has changed. Unfortunately, data analysis and statistics are fundamental to financial mathematics, and for those of us who did not enter with graduate degrees in statistics, we were left woefully unprepared for the remainder of the courses (particularly stochastic calculus and statistical risk management) as well as job interviews. As a particularly pointed example, I was unclear on what a “standard error” was until I engaged in a program of self-study after his course…in which I got an A-.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the quality of teaching?
5

Materials used in the program
Primary texts included:
– Hull’s _Options, Futures, and Other Derivatives_
– Carmona’s _Statistical Analysis of Financial Data in S-Plus_
– Ingersoll’s _Theory of Financial Decision Making_
– Bjork’s _Arbitrage Theory in Continuous Time_

I also found Baxter and Rennie’s _Financial Calculus_ to be an excellent introductory text, though it was not used directly in the courses.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the practicality of the curriculum?
4

Programming component of the program
Excel, R for statistical analysis, MATLAB for numerical methods, C++ with Quantlib for some interest-rate derivatives work. The introductory programming courses were taught in C# and covered basic ASP.NET. Many of the homework assignments had a programming component.

Projects
There were few “projects” per se, though much of the homework was group work.

Career service
Unknown; I didn’t use them.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the career service for internship and full-time job?
2

Can you comment on the social interaction between students of different ethnics, nationalities in the program?
Many of the Chinese students formed a fairly tight social group, I suspect due to shared language. The remainder of the students were very outgoing and mingled and worked together freely.

What do you like about the program?
Excellent instruction in a few topics, a good reading list, U of Chicago name on the diploma, meeting a lot of great people.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the value of the program for the price tag?
3

What DON’T you like about the program?
The general disregard for the quality of education received by the students.

Suggestions for the program to make it better
– Dismiss Per Mykland.

- Solicit feedback from students to ensure that professors generally are doing a good job, and reward them or remove them accordingly.

- Ensure that professors are aware of how their courses fit into the overall curriculum. Many of them seemed unaware of what students entering their classes would and would not be expected to know.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade your experience in the program?
3

What are your current job status? What are you looking for?
I am employed by an investment bank as a software developer, and would like to find more quantitative challenges in the near future.

On a scale of 1-10, would you recommend this program to others?
2

Other comments
If you have a graduate level of statistical experience, are very comfortable with PDEs (and preferably SDEs), and are willing to put up with having to fight to learn in some classes, you could get a lot out of this program. Otherwise, I would suggest going elsewhere.

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4 Comments

  1. Just ran across this looking up some old course topics. Interesting in that there is some truth and some difference in perspective to this account.

    Being sold on interaction with the b-school but then finding out that won’t be happening? TOTALLY true. In fact, that’s one of the biggest disappointments of the program. If that ever existed, then the person who screwed it up should get canned.

    Roger Lee and Jostein Paulsen are indeed very good. Per Mykland’s lectures can be sloppy, but he mostly grades on whether you got the idea or not. I could write up my justification and take a stab at the math and sometimes get 80% on a question. That is very fair for not having the answer. However, it is odd to say you chose a program for its mathematical focus and then to bemoan that focus.

    Data analysis is a different beast. Nobody else teaches a course like this — for good reason. What is covered in the course is typically covered over three courses in the statistics department or the b-school. (My TA pointed this out and it explained a lot.)

    So if you haven’t had courses before in basic stats (not probability) and linear modeling… well, that’s three courses you will cover in the first 5 weeks. Then time series and extreme value theory and trading strategies in the last 5? Way too much. Worse still, data analysis is less of a science and more of an art: experience matters. But you can’t get that wisdom in 10 weeks so the only people who get much out of that course are those who have some experience going in.

    I’m not saying they should fire Mykland or can the data course. Rather, they should make Mykland fix his notes, move programming away from its own course and into part of every course, and then use that time for doing the data course right.

    Overall: not bad, but I’ve heard so much better about CMU. And some of the fellow students are clearly only there because they can pay the money. A career doing outsourced backoffice offshore with no math background? That’s how I spell LOSER — and there were too many in the program to make me feel part of any ‘elite.’ I felt ripped off.

    Low Latency, 1 year ago
  2. Just ran across this looking up some old course topics. Interesting in that there is some truth and some difference in perspective to this account.

    Being sold on interaction with the b-school but then finding out that won’t be happening? TOTALLY true. In fact, that’s one of the biggest disappointments of the program. If that ever existed, then the person who screwed it up should get canned.

    Roger Lee and Jostein Paulsen are indeed very good. Per Mykland’s lectures can be sloppy, but he mostly grades on whether you got the idea or not. I could write up my justification and take a stab at the math and sometimes get 80% on a question. That is very fair for not having the answer. However, it is odd to say you chose a program for its mathematical focus and then to bemoan that focus.

    Data analysis is a different beast. Nobody else teaches a course like this — for good reason. What is covered in the course is typically covered over three courses in the statistics department or the b-school. (My TA pointed this out and it explained a lot.)

    So if you haven’t had courses before in basic stats (not probability) and linear modeling… well, that’s three courses you will cover in the first 5 weeks. Then time series and extreme value theory and trading strategies in the last 5? Way too much. Worse still, data analysis is less of a science and more of an art: experience matters. But you can’t get that wisdom in 10 weeks so the only people who get much out of that course are those who have some experience going in.

    I’m not saying they should fire Mykland or can the data course. Rather, they should make Mykland fix his notes, move programming away from its own course and into part of every course, and then use that time for doing the data course right.

    Overall: not bad, but I’ve heard so much better about CMU. And some of the fellow students are clearly only there because they can pay the money. A career doing outsourced backoffice offshore with no math background? That’s how I spell LOSER — and there were too many in the program to make me feel part of any ‘elite.’ I felt ripped off.

    Low Latency, 1 year ago
  3. If you don’t have a good preparation and passion for Math intensive study life, why do you bother to go to U of Chicago to learn FinMath from such distinguished scholars including Prof. Mykland and at last only to lead an unchanged worklife?!
    The following is an introduction access to Prof. Mykland.

    http://stevanovichcenter.uchicago.edu/board.shtml
    Per Mykland
    Director, Stevanovich Center for Financial Mathematics
    Robert Maynard Hutchins Distinguished Service Professor
    Department of Statistics
    The University of Chicago
    Man Professor of Statistics and Finance, University of Oxford, 2009-10
    Webpage: http://galton.uchicago.edu/~mykland/

    Ping, 1 year ago
  4. If you don’t have a good preparation and passion for Math intensive study life, why do you bother to go to U of Chicago to learn FinMath from such distinguished scholars including Prof. Mykland and at last only to lead an unchanged worklife?!
    The following is an introduction access to Prof. Mykland.

    http://stevanovichcenter.uchicago.edu/board.shtml
    Per Mykland
    Director, Stevanovich Center for Financial Mathematics
    Robert Maynard Hutchins Distinguished Service Professor
    Department of Statistics
    The University of Chicago
    Man Professor of Statistics and Finance, University of Oxford, 2009-10
    Webpage: http://galton.uchicago.edu/~mykland/

    Ping, 1 year ago

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